Brad Ideas - Think like RDM in deciding who will be the final Cylon - Comments

My answer ...

Joe Cruts — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 14:46:35 -0700

They are all cylons.

Humans created them on earth, they rebelled and destroyed earth causing the exodus to other star systems.

THE SHADOWS, THE CLAWING, THE MANIPULATION

BOONDOG — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:59:19 -0700

THE FINAL CYLON IS NONE OTHER THAN TOM ZAREK; HIS CHARACTOR HAS BEEN IN THE SHADOWS BUT PURPOSEFULY BEEN DIRECTING THE MAIN CHARACTORS TO KEY POINTS IN THE DEVELOPMENT AND DRIVE TO GET TO EARTH, AND IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THE ULTIMATE GOAL (GETTING BCK TO EARTH)OF BEING IN POSITION, HE ENSURED HE WAS SECURELY PLACED AWAY DURING ALL KEY SEQUENCES ATTACKS ON THE COLONIES ATTACKS ON COBOL...(PRISON) ENSURING WHEN THE IMTE FOR THE REVELATION CAME HE WAS THERE TAKING OFF HIS MASK, EACH CHARACTOR WILL REALISE THEY HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TO EARTH; THE KEY DECISION'S AT ALL MAJOR PLOT DEVELOPMENTS ALL MAD/INFULENCED, PRESIDANTS ALL MADE; BY TOM ZAREK!

THE FINAL FIVE ALL HAVE BEEN REBELIOUS LEADERS, ALL OF THEM....
TYROL(NEW CAPRICA, ORE SHIP,) FOSTER(RIGGING THE ELECTION) ANDERS (LEADER OF THE CAPRICAN REBELION, TIGH (NEW CAPRICA REBELION, AND TERROIST ACTIVITES SINCE BUT PRIOR TO REVELATION OF HIS CYCLIN NATURE) wHO ELSE HAS BEEN A LEADER OF MEN BUT ALSO STRONGLY VIEWED A A REBEL (OTHER THAN STARBUCK - THE MESSENGER)

TOM ZAREK.

AS THE CLUES GIVEN; HE WAS IN SERIES 1, THEY HAVE ALL BEEN PAWNS IN TOM ZAREK SHOW!

NON-MORE SO THAN LEE ADAMA!

Baltar and Romo

The Answer — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 23:02:23 -0700

Thanks for your reply Csrsteel.
If you watch the episodes I mentioned, you will see what I'm talking about ;)

And about Romo...
I think he really is a mysterious guy. So smart. So manipulative. So farseeing.
He has all the characteristics to be an evil guy.

So if it is decided by the writers that there will be 13th Cylon model regarding to Earth,
which should not be known by anybody including Cylons
I think Romo would be perfect choice for it.
((Considering Gaius is 12th... or may be Romo is 12th and Gaius is 13th... Both of them possible))

It is possible

brad — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 12:19:07 -0700

But it is a stretch, because the Baltar in the photo is dressed as prophet Baltar, and we have not seen the virtual Baltar ever appear like that. The red-dress Six is more interesting. That’s how virtual Six appears, but it’s also a copy of the look of Caprica Six when she was on Caprica with Baltar.

The Trick in The Last Supper Picture

The Answer — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 08:06:05 -0700

Congratz Brad !!

You are right. You solved the problem ;)

The only obvious obstacle for Baltar's candidacy about being a Cylon is gone to me. :)

As you said,

"Baltar in the last supper picture" must be Head Baltar ((Just like Head 6 in the middle of that picture))

Ron Moore's statement "Final Cylon is not there" about the picture, is actually true then.

True but just in a tricky way,

as we expect from a genius guy like Ron Moore. :)

So, as long as "The Real Baltar" is not in the picture,

for the reasons I have told my previous message one by one,

Doctor Baltar is still the most probable candidate for being a Cylon.

That simple.

Not direct

brad — Mon, 08 Sep 2008 21:34:49 -0700

But I did ask a reporter who had interviewed Moore and had him tell her that it was nobody in the photo to check with him again, to make sure he wasn’t playing with words, as he does. She checked with him for me and he authorized a quote that was more explicit. I have a blog post about it in the battlestar blog.

Oh brother

Csrsteel — Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:42:45 -0700

Ok thats it, you guys with a direct line to Moore can suck my viper, I think you are trying to throw me off. Two ppl that post in two different forums that say they have direct contact with Moore, whatever.

Last Supper photo

brad — Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:01:11 -0700

Problem is I asked Ron Moore himself via an intermediary about his statement that the final Cylon is not in the last supper photo and he confirmed it.

Sigh.

No, it’s not Lampkin. He’s in the fleet when D’Anna says there are four, and more to the point, he’s a boring choice. Read all the quotes from insiders about how people will react to the final Cylon, and it’s clearly somebody who fits and is not minor like Lampkin.

Ok in another forum I

Csrsteel — Mon, 08 Sep 2008 12:15:53 -0700

Ok in another forum I apperantly run into some guy that says he worked on BSG, Mike Taylor. Me and him and a few other have been going back and forth about the final cylon. Now I got to "research" what you say about those episodes The Answer, before I take your Baltar theory, but it does make sence to me since Baltar would fit into the "Judas" role, he was an unwitting accomplice to the destruction of the colonies. I always doubted Baltar was the final cylon because if he was a cylon and so smart why would he not be able to do all of the programing on his own. Also he could fit the description of clawing to the light and seeking redemption. But Dianna does not really respect him as a final five while he is on the basestar, she takes advice from Tory and she is intricately involved but I think that baltar is only listened to and at that it seems more like "tolerated" becasue him and Dianna had a relationship and because what he had to say was reasonable.

As far as the picture goes I don't give it much credence since it could be said that those currently pictured in their current mental state, could undertake a huge transformation which in all essence makes them totally different than the ones we know and in all essence are not in the picture.

Mike Taylor says Lampkin is the final cylon and I quote:
"Romo Lampkin is suppose to be the equivalent of Count Iblis from the origional series. If you remember, Count Iblis was cast away from the Ship of lights. Well in the new Battlestar Galactica he doesn't have magical powers, he is the final cylon, and the oldest one. If you remember the cylon numbers actually have no meaning. How Romo gets off the Galactica undetected will also be explained in episode 16 as well. Hope I didn't spoil too much for you." Supposedly Mike worked on the project, I'm still not convinced, but if he worked very closely on the project I asked for video, lol.

On Baltar

brad — Sat, 06 Sep 2008 11:04:18 -0700

Yes, I have a whole other article detailing this and many other clues that point to Baltar.

Alas, he is in the Last Supper photo, and thus ruled out. At the very outside, there is a chance that the Baltar in the photo is the virtual Baltar, but he is dressed as real Baltar.

If you take the Six in the photo to be real Caprica Six (also a stretch) then virtual being (who appears as Baltar to Cap6 and may also appear as Baltar to D’Anna) also meets many of the clues from Rapture, in that D’Anna thinks she saw Baltar but actually saw Virtual Being.

The 5th of The Final Five is...

The Answer — Sat, 06 Sep 2008 03:50:51 -0700

I don't think it is a big mystery who the final cylon is (after season 3).
Let's remember some of crucial episodes of Entire series.

Firstly Season 3 episode 6 (Torn)
Number 6 Gina said that "We don't imgaine. We project"
Just like Baltar "project" himself with Gina in various position... :)

That's the first, Maybe just a coincidance.
So we need more evidence, right?

So let's take a look at Season 3 episode 7 (A Measure of Salvation)
There was a virus issue.
A virus that Cylons could get sick and die...

Significant 7 models thought that,
Doctor Baltar has something to do with the virus.
Gaius had been considered that,
he deliberately connected with Galactica somehow
and release the virus via the "marker" that had been found.
We all knew that, there was clearly a misunderstanding, but Cylons didn't.
Because of that,
Dianna tortured Baltar with some kind of electric chair or something...

Finally let's remember season 3 episode 12 (Rapture).
Such a milestone for BSG I should say.

Dianna who thinks she was the Chosen One,
saw the faces of the Final 5 Cylons in the Temple of 5.
And suprisingly she said to one of the them;
"Forgive me, I had no idea"

That was an apology clearly.
But why Dianna apologize someone?
Ehmm...
Didn't she torture Doctor Baltar with electric chair a while ago
for some reason which Doctor Baltar had nothing to do with?
I dare to say It's a REALLY GOOD reason to apologize.
The clues are getting more and more.
But there can be someone who is still not convincing.

So let's continue.
Again in the episode (Rapture),
after Dianna saw Five Cylon's faces and apologized one of them,
she touched that Cylon's hand and fell on the floor.
Baltar who stood nearby, hold her immediately and asked her,
the question which mystified his mind for some time.

Gaius : What is it ? Tell me. Am I one of You ?
Dianna : You were right.
And goes on.
((I couldn't remember the rest of conversation))
Dianna said "you were right".
I think nobody can deny that It was a BIG clue for us.
((I mean what else she had to say for God's sake.))

Finally if there are still anyone who ignores all this,
take a look at season 4 episode 10.
Dianna said she wants 4 of the Final Five.
Because the Fifth is not in the fleet,
which is when exactly Baltar was in the Basestar.

IT ALL MAKES SENSE.
Even the most sceptical ones among us CAN'T claim these are all coincidance.
We just have to sum all the things up.
The answer is obvious.

DOCTOR BALTAR is the FINAL Cylon.

I think there are much more intriguing 2 question right now.
If 12 Cylons for 12 Colonies... So Is there 13th Cylon for the 13th Colony Earth?
If so, there is 1 more quota for the other candidates about being a Cylon.

And secondly,
Is there a connection between Final 5 and "All of it happen before and will happen again" prophecy ?
I mean, Do those 5 Cylons,
repeatedly reinvent Significant 7,
and led them destroy the colonies where human live ??
and then another Earth discovery convoy starts their journey again and again ??

I think these are the real unknown points at the moment.

A big presumption

brad — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:29:57 -0700

I don’t think they are unique. I think we’ve seen other copies, in 5 white robes. Those are not just recordings, they interacted with D’Anna.

Foster is not in the last supper photo. But we already know the people in the photo are ruled out. And even if you think there is no more than one, that doesn’t rule out the dead. These guys are 4,000 years old, they don’t just die and never come back.

It’s not Adar, we’ve been told it’s not some barely seen or new character.

The five have not “been to” Earth, they are from Earth. They may have played a role in the most recent war that nuked it, but were not sent there to do it.

IMO, there is one

Anonymous — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:51:01 -0700

IMO, there is one [b]"potentially"[/b] over-riding problem with most of the current line of thought on the final cylon. It's located in the "crack the code" photo from scifi.

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh305/TrinyPenny15/EW-1.jpg

Presumably, the final five cylons are "unique". They aren't copies or copyable, and if they were, the other 7 would have known of them beforehand. Notice that the only person that shows up twice in the photo is a "six", two separate copies are represented. Notice that the 4 of 5 revealed are already in the photo. If the 12th cylon is unique, and unable to be copied, there would be no logic in having a second appearance in this photo. Under this line of thought, no one currently in that photo can possibly be the final cylon. That obviously excludes Lee Adama, Bill Adama, Laura Roslin, Kara Thrace, Baltar, and Helo. Those are out.

Also, under this line of thought, and assuming that the open seat at the table is that of the 12th cylon, since there are no copies of the final five, no one who has died can be one of the final five. In other words, anyone who is known to have died can not be the 12th Cylon, because the last seat is not going to be filled with a corpse assumably. That leaves out quite a few people, Admiral Kain, Saul's wife, Cally, and mostly minor players. However, that does not leave out anyone who has died "off-screen" like President Adar.

Thirdly, and an interesting addition to this line of thought, is that presumably the 12th cylon is NOT in the colonial fleet. D'Anna, the "three", has supposedly seen the final 5 and as revealed in the episode Revelations, 4 of the 5 were to be found in the colonial fleet. Meaning the final cylon is somewhere else. That, combined with the concept that the final cylon can't be replicated, and that no one who has been known to have died can be the final cylon....would eliminate pretty much everyone except President Adar, Adama's wife.

I started out by saying "potentially", because here is another line of thought. Remembering that "the final five" have already been to earth, that's why they know the way. And naturally, when the colonial fleet lands on Earth, it's a radioactive wasteland. "This has happened before". Is it possible that the final 5 were sent to destroy Earth? Is it possible that the final 5 are indeed copyable, just not in the same locations at the first 7 cylons? This potential change in direction throws all previous logic out the proverbial window. Even the dead, such as Admiral Kain or Cally could be the 5th Cylon. Note however, that only one assumed human, Kara Thrace, has also been to Earth. And also note that Kara is the only person to have "died" and reappeared under more than dubious circumstances.

And lastly, one other smaller line of thought. When the D'Anna, the "three", looks upon the final "five" she apologizes. Why apologize? Is it possible that the 12th cylon is presumed to be dead, or is in fact dead? Or is it possible that the 3's had a negative run-in with the 12's at one time? Who could that be? Maybe she's just bothered that she had that negative encounter with Anders on Caprica, or maybe not.

Thanks Brad

Csrsteel — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:44:40 -0700

Brad made a good point Lampkin is in the fleet when D'anna states that their are 4 cylons in the fleet, again. Roslin, Adama, Baltar, Helo, and many minor characters are in the basestar. Only Adama is released???? Why???? Out of respect, for his position? Zeus the father of Apollo, once they reach the battlestar and finished talking to President Adama, it was so out of place for # 3, to ask him if Commander Adama agreed with the plan. I bet if Commander Adama would have suggested another course of action she would have listened to the commander vs. President Adama. Lampkin theories are so unfounded. So back them up or stop posting them.

Doubt it's him

brad — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:38:43 -0700

Even if it was the actor.

But anyway, Romo’s in the fleet, when D’Anna demands the four cylons in the fleet.

Think like RDM in deciding who will be the final Cylon

brad — Tue, 03 Apr 2007 00:40:45 -0700

Ok, so you’re RDM and you’ve got 5 Cylons left and you have declared they are a special, distinct group of Cylons and they are much older than the 7 shown before, so they can be anybody.

You may have picked your final Cylon long ago, you only picked the other 4 while writing Season 3.

You plan some “big reveal” scenes. You have a few planned for the show. The first one will be to reveal the F5 are special, possibly associated with an Earth Temple. Your next one is to apparently kill Starbuck and have her come back courtesy of some Earth folks.

Two of the biggest reveals you have planned are to show four of the final 5, and then in season 4 to show the last one.

Showing the 4 is going to be dramatic, because you’re going to show a lot of people that their assumptions were wrong, by giving them Tigh.

But you are going to leave one Cylon unrevealed. And all the rules of drama demand that this one left over is the big one. The revalation of this Cylon should be an even bigger dramatic event than the revalation of the first 4.

So of your five, who are you going to leave out?