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bsg earth

matt — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:23:51 -0700

I think there is a time travel elememt to the maelstrom that Starbuck passed through. When the fleet eventually goes through, I think everyone will have traveled back in time thousands of years and after a huge battle will live on earth with the rebellious cylons. They will be the gods and heroes of our religions. They will also be the mythical 13th tribe that is spoken of in their own distant future.
They are searching, essentially, for themselves.
this is both the ending and the beginning of the cycle that is prophisied.

I don't know the whys and wherefores but I think we will find that it is a necessary part of the natural order of things.

Interesting

brad — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:34:21 -0800

Yes, as you say right now it doesn't mesh but it's certainly possible we will see a religious theme as the basis of the split from Earth as you suggest. Though I prefer a human-vs-AI conflict basic theme which turns into religion.

However, it is worth noting that, while Moore may be using the term in its more modern, "end of days" sense, the term "Apocalypse" actually means "revelation." It has become confused because the end of days is foretold in a particular apocalypse.

Earth wants to be found?

Neakal — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 03:17:22 -0800

I love your analyses of the BSG storyline even if I may not agree all of them (the colonials-are-Cylons seem a bit far-fetched to me). I myself felt/preferred the abandoned-Earth theory. That humanity on Earth was wiped out maybe around the same time the old Cylons gained independance and that God looked for a new set of followers and found Cylons rebelling against the polytheistic humans. Starbuck's Viper disproves the former part of my theory at least.

Right now, my current feeling regarding Earth is that the people on Earth don't want to reunite with their Colonial brethern. I got that idea from virus-beacon from Torn. The fact that the people from Earth left such a dangerous marker, to me, meant "Here. You saw what we can do. Don't come closer. We don't want to be found."

Why wouldn't they want to be found? Well, I fully agree your assessment that "the-one-whose-name-can't-be-spoken", the rebellious Lord of Kobol and the Cylon God is all the same. And we all seen how similar the Cylon religion is to the Abrahamic religions (not necessarily a specific one but overall similarities) and although other "pagan" religions exist in the world, the majority of worlds population follows these Abrahamic monotheistic religions. To cut to the point, the people from Earth (a majority of them at least) worshipped this "one true God". They were the ones who followed the rebellious Lord of Kobol. They fought with the other 12 tribes and their gods. And than, (if Earth is the Homeworld) the 12 tribes left Earth, moved to Kobol and the twelve colonies or (if Kobol is the Homeworld) the 13th tribe moved as far away as possible from their polytheistic siblings while the other 12 moved to their own colonies. At any rate, they cut their ties with the Colonials and they don't want to reestablish it. And they are prepared to do anything to keep it that way.

I know there are some flaws with this. Im still not sure how the Cylons or the Final Five fit in to this. The female Hybrid calls the Final Five "the five lights of the apocalypse". The first Hybrid makes a similar reference about Starbuck. But whose apocalypse? The apocalypse of the people from Earth as the fleet comes closer? Or are the Final Five the final weapon of the people from Earth before Colonials finally reach Earth itself?

About the Final Five, maybe its me but to me they always had a somewhat sinister feel with them. Aside the "Five Lights of the apocalypse" remark above, the scenes that had them (the robed figures not Tyrol/Tory/Anders/Tigh) had always that quality. In Rapture, when they are first shown, the background song is not the soft classical song we remember the Opera House with. Instead, the song we hear there has a dark, looming quality. Same in Crossroads Pt II when Six sees them: The classical music of the "shape of things to come" fades and gets distorted as the Final Five become present, replaced by the staticky and oppressive version of the song we will hear in the end of the episode. Ok now I am being very far fetched here but I can't help feeling that the Final Five represent some kind of a danger.

The 13th tribe

brad — Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:00:54 -0700

Are said to have left for Earth about 2000 years before the Exodus of the 12 tribes. Only the 12 were forced off Kobol. The 13th was already a legend at that point, or at least among the colonists it was. (I expect the lords of Kobol and various other powerful figures knew perfectly well the real story of Earth.)

I am not convinced that

Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:04:18 -0700

I am not convinced that there wasn't a 13th tribe. Imagine a mass exedous from Earth. Kobol is settled. 13 tribes are formed, probably to aid the governing body. Eventually, the "gods" make life on Kobol undesirable. A second exodus occurs, but there is some disagreeement among the tribe leaders as to where to go. 12 tribes leave to form the colonies, the last one returns home to Earth. Perhaps at the time the second exodus occurs, Earth is considered a myth, as it is today (in the BSG timeline). This might explain why the other 12 didn't want to waste time trying to find it. Interesting theories though. Look forward to reading more as you have them.

Earth in BSG

brad — Wed, 04 Apr 2007 15:55:10 -0700

Fans of the show often ask, “what will Earth be like when they find it?” Ronald Moore always refuses to answer that question, and at times he suggests he has not even fully decided what form it will take. However, there is a fairly strong case to be made that, unlike the original, this show is set many thousands of years in our future, and that Kobol is a colony of Earth, not the other way around as told in the colonial mythology. There probably never was a 13th tribe that went to Earth. Instead, that story is a myth to cover the reality.