Brad Ideas - Baltar the Final Cylon - Comments

Final five

Bruce — Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:44:12 -0700

I think the final cyclon is Tom Zarack. I look at that picture and it seems logical that he is the missing person. After all isn't he the vice president? He should be at that table.

Why the delay?

Anonymous — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:21:48 -0700

Maybe. I guess, we'll see.

I find it a bit odd when Ron says the Final Cylon will be revealed near the end of the next batch if Baltar's kicking his heels on a Cylon base ship. I can't think of any reason not to tell him.

I understand the cast have been told but Ron may have shot different versions to keep it from leaking out, or leave the real work to the editing. It will be interesting to see how that plays out.

Still, next episode looks interesting even if the long wait afterwards is a drag.

Last Supper

brad — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:40:44 -0700

I am not bothered because I see one of two things:

He doesn’t actually say that nobody in the last supper photo is the final Cylon. The reporter says it. He equivocates.
On the big mystery of the show, you expect the producers to lie to any direct questions anyway, as they did about Starbuck.

Another red herring?

Anonymous — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 03:19:14 -0700

Yeah, I caught that clue. Unless Ron has totally goofed the script it narrows things considerably. Then again, with all the plot dangly bits and teasing I wouldn't put it past him to tell a big porkie. This clue and his comment that nobody in the last supper photo is the Final Cylon don't match. I feel like I'm being jerked around a bit and that's beginning to make me feel a bit resentful.

Not really 13 colonies

brad — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 01:58:09 -0700

The 13th colony is a Myth. It’s a cover story for the fact that Kobol isn’t the homeworld.

Anyway, we just got a giant clue that the final Cylon is either Baltar or Roslin in the preview on Hulu that just came out for “Revelations”, so that adds more boost to it being Baltar.

Now as I’ve said, Baltar is too obvious, so the real reveal will be the “why” of him being a Cylon, not the fact that he is. And the backstory of what he’s so special.

Final Cylon must be Baltar

Anonymous — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 22:45:56 -0700

The reasoning for this is simple:

1. It must be an actor we will want to see A LOT MORE of in the coming episodes.
2. Possibly in the form of a much more confident version of the current character.

Who do people want to see more of:

1. Roslin? No.
2. Lee Adama? Boring. No.
3. Kara Thrace? One dimensional and boring.
4. Adama himself? No. His character is the tough guy of few words.
5. Dualla? Gaeta? Not interesting enough characters.

Baltar is the be all and end all character of the show whose brilliant acting and awkwardness steals the show.

BSG has done a great job of creating doubt when the Final Cylon has been obvious all along.

I'm more interested in the manner and situation that he is revealed to be the final Cylon and the drama of the situation.

Who thinks D'Anna gets killed or incapacitated in the coming episode?

Also, there are 13 colonies. Why is the "Final Cylon" necessarily the last one when that only makes 12.

Crossover?

Anonymous — Mon, 05 May 2008 00:16:38 -0700

If I can obsess my irony thing a bit more, I reckon, Baltar was the chosen one but fumbled the ball big time and in those circumstances the flame tends to pass to someone else. If I had to guess could I suggest that Baltar is the Final Clon but his place in the scheme of things has been hijacked by Starbuck. It's not much of a clue but the Baltar plotline seems to peter out just before the last few episodes.

It could be that Baltar has one of those moments of clarity where he realises it was all his but it turns to ashes in his mouth while Starbuck, who's been hell on wheels for laying waste to every Cylon going finds herself in his place. In the bigger scheme of things one would suggest that the system is self-correcting. The original plan clearly failed but is somehow still on track. Its fundamentals must be broadly right.

Cool theory, huh?

Head Baltar

brad — Sun, 04 May 2008 00:10:25 -0700

That is a cute idea, I’m trying to accept it, but the Six in the picture (she’s in there twice) is the red dress Six which I think is head-Six. If it were physical Caprica-Six, it would make more sense for her to have head Baltar.

And the Baltar in the picture is clean shaven, but he’s in the outfit of prophet-Baltar, and we’ve never seen head-Baltar dress in this manner.

However, if we see Head Baltar appear dressed as prophet Baltar, that could add a lot of weight to this thought.

Mores clues to Baltar being the final Cylon

Anonymous — Sat, 03 May 2008 19:53:57 -0700

In the latest episode notice the scene where cheif is jumproping listening to the radio. As soon as he turns it off his half cylon son looks at the radio and starts to protest and the cheif turns back on the radio without seeming to think about it. Who were the Cheif and his son both cylons listening to? BALTAR. The Cheif is at a point of disobediance to anyone around, even the Admiral because of his current state. Despite all of his best efforts to defy baltar in the latest episode he ends up taking his hand at the end of the scene. The only reason people have been ruling out Baltar is because of the Last Supper picture but remember there is only one Baltar in the picture and we know that there are two seperate Baltar entities, Baltar and head Baltar one of which is in the picture and one of which could be final cylon. How else could he project like cylons? How else could he be in another cylon's (six's) head? I believe his head six is his cylon subconcious leading him to do what he must. How else could he have done the things like randomly picking the exact spot to bomb on the tilium asteroid with no knowledge what so ever and survive so many hopeless situations with the cylons if there isn't more to his character. He may have actually been in the photo that was giving to the fleet by six and disproved by Gaeta. It may have been doctored if only to show more detail. In my opinion any clue clue that leads to the final cylon can be linked to Baltar and any clue that seems to disprove a person as being the final cylon can SEEM to be applied to Baltar but if you think hard enough it only SEEMS that and there is a back door that allows an explanation as to why it doesnt apply to him. I think the Last supper was a clever deversion to take the heat away from Baltar as he is the only person in the picture that can actually still be #7.

final cylon

Anonymous — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:15:11 -0700

Does anyone think the Battlestar Galactica itself could be the embodiment of the final cylon? Its purpose to bring humans and cylons together to Earth.

A Few Things

Mitch — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 19:50:10 -0700

Just a few things I've noticed. Maybe they're meaningful, maybe they're not.

1. I don't believe Leoben. I've seen the posts stating that he doesn't lie, but what about Kasey, Starbuck's "daughter"? He obviously lied to Starbuck during their entire time on New Caprica.

2. I think the humans are really cylons idea answers alot of questions. Mostly importantly it explains why the species can cross breed and it explains the "this has all happened before" concept. However, it doesn't explain why Baltar's cylon detector actually worked (remember it identified Boomer). While it's possible that the writers developed the detector before everything was planned out, I don't think it is likely. In fact, someone mentioned it in the last episode. I think Adama complained about how it didn't work. If the detector wasn't a part of the writer's original plan then why mention it again? I'm guessing that it will be important in the near future. Someone might decide to put it to use.

3. I'll be disappointed if anyone but Baltar is the final cylon. Someone here had said, and I completely agree, that the drama in this "revelation" isn't who the final cylon is but how his story plays out. I think there's much more to Baltar than meets the eye and I'm looking forward to seeing how intentional his character arch really is. I can't see how anyone else will be anything but gimmicky and disappointing.

Oh, it's happening to some degree

brad — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 20:23:57 -0700

The producers have told us the 4th season will show a major blurring of the line between human and Cylon to the point that you won’t be sure what it means to be a Cylon. I am curious what people think that means, other than the colonials being constructed beings too. No “robots” in the sense you might think of them — but then the Cylons, who are biological enough to be able to breed with the colonials, are hardly “robots” either.

The humans being robots

Tom — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:25:19 -0700

The humans being robots would be the weakest writing decision ever. Thank God you don't write for this show.

You could be

brad — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 20:22:41 -0800

You could be right. Like any good mystery, several candidates are possible and have clues.

But right now one thing that leads me away from her is that as much as you might want to nudge people with your elbow, do you think that she will be a very dramatic, climactic, exciting reveal? If either she or Gaeta is revealed as the master Cylon, I don't see it as being as shocking or dramatic as the revelation of Tigh. More like Torrey and Anders being revealed as Cylons. It will result in a "Ok, I see it, she's been doing things all along, getting in close, watching etc." Not "holy frak!"

Characters that would result in a "Holy Frak" are Bill Adama, Roslin, Lee Adama, Starbuck, and maybe Joseph Adama, in that order.

Baltar would result in a different sort of reaction, but it could be turned into a Holy Frak by revealing special and astounding things about Baltar's true role in Cylon and Human history. A story that makes it all make sense why he is the one who betrays humanity, and then the Cylons and then, I suspect, brings them back together at Earth. The dramatic shocker will be Baltar's story, not his nature.

But unlike Baltar, Dee, Gaeta and various others are simply not set up to be part of a grand story. They are not the "chosen one." Starbuck is set up for a grand story. William Adama is. Lee Adama is. The minor characters aren't.

Okay

Paul — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 19:32:05 -0800

Okay. But I'll be there (virtually) to give you the elbow when I'm right. ;)

Baltar the Final Cylon

brad — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 18:39:29 -0800

The extended version of Razor contains this additional prophecy from the First Hybrid.

At last, they’ve come for me. I feel their lives, their destinies, spilling out before me. The denial of the one true path. To play that out on a world not their own. But will they be soon enough? Soon there will be four glorious new awakenings, struggling with the knowledge of their true selves, the pain of revelation bringing new clarity. And in the midst of confusion they will find that enemies are brought together by an awesome sense of belonging. Enemies now joined as one. The way forward, the once unthinkable, yet inevitable. And the fifth is still is in shadow, drawn toward the light, hungering for redemption, that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering. I can see them all - the seven, now six, self-described machines who believe themselves are of no sin, but in time it is sin that will consume them. They will know enmity, bitterness, the wrenching agony of the one splintering into many. And then they will join the promised land, gathered on the wings of an angel. Not an end, but a beginning.

These lines, highly prophetic, add more and more evidence that this hybrid is the cylon god, or closely connected with him. Update: the podcasts imply he is not the god himself, but is in regular communication with him.

But the line about the 5th and final Cylon seems to point at only one character. Baltar. This is not particularly satisfying, as it confuses the issue of Baltar as traitor. It makes his role entirely different. Though it does provide a good audience shocker, when compared with the old series, where he was a fairly 1 dimensional villain.

However, only one character in the show has done so much to need redemption, hungers for it, and has declared that finding out he is a Cylon would give him redemption. Sure, all the characters have done bad things and could use some redemption, but nobody like Baltar. On the whole, other characters like Adama, Roslin, Lee, Starbuck and Gaeta are heroes with a few flaws.

Ronald Moore likes redemption drama, and he seems to be preparing us for it.

Let’s consider other clues:

When D’Anna faces the Final five, and dies, her last words are in Baltar’s arms. “So beautiful. You were right.” He asks, “About what?” but she never answers. However, the only clear thing he’s been pushing her on before this event is whether he’s a Cylon or not.
She’s just greeted one of them with “Forgive me, I had no idea” and while she’s done ill to just about everybody, it’s Baltar she recently tortured. (Though with his nagging about it, she should have had some idea.)
Baltar has this inner six, and she’s not just a demented dream. She knows stuff. This is the best explanation for it. She seems to have been able to physically pick him up when he was beaten down, and many think she was Shelley Godfrey, the physical six who accused Baltar of being a traitor while head-six had vanished. Godfrey turned a corner and vanished herself, and head-six was back.
In the Hand of God Baltar randomly picks a place to bomb, and it turns out right
He’s really smart, smarter than most colonials, smarter even than the Cylons at things like tracking clues about Earth
The Hybrid calls him “the chosen one” and declares he is “intelligence, a mind that burns like fire.”
In various points of the show, Baltar is shown Christ-like, in poses like Christ, with hair and beard like him. As the final Cylon, he may be their version of Christ, somehow incarnated from the Cylon God. On the base ship, he gets a very Christ-like wound.
Inner six keeps insisting that Hera is the child of her and Baltar. Ravings? If not, it represents something like this.
Cylons keep falling in love with him, and never kill him. In fact, he drives them crazy. The Cylons who have close contact with him are the ones who rebel, and break their compulsion not to seek the Final Five. He has sex with Tory, #6 and #3 (and of course many human women too.)
As noted by many, he is very close to a nuclear blast at the start of the show, and while six is killed shielding him, later he shows up to get on Helo’s raptor with just a few minor scrapes.
In season 4, he gets a religious following among the colonials, and gets thought of as a healer. He may perform miracles. He seems to be chanelling real external information about the river.
He’s involved in everything. AI research. He’s in the middle, if not consciously, of the Cylon sabotage on Caprica. He is the one meting out clues to lead the colonials to Earth, and providing similar clues to the Cylons. Both are on their courses because of him.

Unfortunately, he’s in the “last supper” picture and it is confirmed that the final Cylon is not in that picture. Unless it’s secretly “head Baltar” in the picture, he’s out.

None of this is conclusive, but none of the other characters have nearly as many clues like this. The prophecy of the Cylon God bumps him up several notches as well.