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Final Cylon

Anonymous — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 12:02:22 -0800

This final cylon is a woman. If you look at the 'last supper' shot, the opening, next to Apollo, is occupied by a chalice. This is a symbol of the female in pagan (polythesistic) theology. This is why the Chief has a blade, the male aspect. The entire series has dealt with the intersection of pagan and monotheistic beliefs and it is interesting that the last supper table is filled with pagan artifacts, e.g.; chalice, flame, etc. With this being said, the final Cylon is Dualla. She fits the mold of cylons wanting human mates. She is an inside operator on the command team. She is smart and reserved. She had an unusally close relationship with Commander Adama. We are being lead to believe that it is either Baltar or Gaida but in the end I think Dualla will be the one.

On another note, I think we've been mis-directed about the "arrow of apollo." I think Lee Adama is that arrow, not the arrow Thrace picked up on Caprica. Lee will lead humanity to the "promised land" before this series is concluded.

Affininity

brad — Sat, 10 Jan 2009 12:36:45 -0800

No, I think the poster is right. I think the writers did intend an affinity between Head Six and Cap Six. In the early episodes, Head Six spoke like a Cylon, though eventually she is clearly apart from the 7 Cylons. May be a change of plan by the writers, as they did not really know what she was going to be at the start.

RE: But!

Anonymous — Sat, 10 Jan 2009 08:25:05 -0800

I don't believe she has an affinity. When she says that she is referencing what the two of them had been talking about on the way over. She was asking Baltar if he thought it would be a new face, maybe even a friend, or someone in power.

Speaking of the Six line, anyone notice hers is the only line that has different hair styles. Every other model is a perfect copy except the Six line. Even Leoban models always have the same shaving patterns. I don't think that is a budget thing either. Not by season 3 and 4 when this show had money flowing through it due to the success of the show.

RE: Baltar's Child

Anonymous — Sat, 10 Jan 2009 08:17:33 -0800

Or she is once again referring to the fact that Baltar is the Jesus figure and everyone is God's children, and Hera is important because she represents the vision of the future (cylon/human coexistence) that Baltar is trying to bring through the One True God. I know people are going to start mentioning little Nicki Tyrol now, but remember that the only cylon baby that ALL the cylons know about is Hera. Hera also represents the 'first' (as of now).

Not saying this is the case, just saying, you can't ignore the Jesus angle that has been played.

Interesting point

brad — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:43:33 -0800

Had not thought of that. Yet she also says she is an angel sent from God to protect him. So she is not Six but may have more connection than I thought, or want Baltar to think that.

But!

Master Prudent — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:55:32 -0800

I think that Inner Six does have some sort of affinity with all Sixes. When she sees Gina in Pegesus her first words are, "My God Gaius, it's me".

Possibly

brad — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 00:14:18 -0800

But my interpretation is that there is no significant connection between Caprica Six and inner Six. Baltar just sees the inner Six in the form of his lover, as does Caprica Six.

Baltar's Child

Master Prudent — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:05:31 -0800

"Inner 6 keeps insisting that Hera is the child of her and Baltar"

I've just watched Home again and thought of an interesting possibility. What if she's a little confused? Admittedly it wouldn't be in keeping for a near omniscient oracle but but I think it's still possible. In Home she insists that the child will be born in the cell built for Sharon. I could be wrong but I'm almost 100% certain that this is the cell that Caprica Six occupies after Rapture . It could be that the child she prophesied about is in fact the one we learned about in Sine Qua Non rather than Hera and that she was simply bluffing about Sharon's child being the one in order to keep Baltar sane and on side.

I'm not sure how much time elapsed since Rapture so I don't know if its biologically possible for Baltar to be the father but if it is then it fits in with the Opera House dreams. In Roslin's latest version Six and Baltar turn around to see Hera. If Roslin's dream follows on from Baltar's first visions on Kobol then they are turning around after viewing their child making Hera someone else.

That damned last supper

brad — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:39:12 -0800

Well, the Last Supper statement came from RDM himself, and he’s been quizzed on it twice, once by me, and said no, it’s not anybody in that picture.

Now you may take heart that at youwillknowthetruth.com they released a version of that picture with Roslin missing, but the main picture still has her, and she was surely there when RDM answered his questions.

Otherwise I would be happy to see her as a contender. She does get the visions. It was highly unusual that she was on Galactica and the only member of the government to survive. And D’Anna did that fake-out.

But other people in the picture, such as Baltar, have even more clues.

Roslin it is

John S from Australia — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 18:36:57 -0800

Ok,

1. Roslin marries Bill somewhere in the next 10 eps. She becomes an Adama by marriage... Leoben becomes right in his prediction.
2. Rossie (Laura) is Pres and Bill is Admiral - they are twain as the seniormost leaders and represent the cheif union of Cylon and Human and together they lead the human / cylon future.
3. Their story - in finding love in each other - have been the longest in unfolding and their story is the only one that is unresolved by way of love and commitment. Everyone else has had their time in the sun... everyone else has had nookie/action, only they haven't... their sacrifices and responsibilities are the greatest.... and as their jobs jobs finish, so does the entire story.
4. Generally speaking, information coming from the production team about this or that (RDM included) is purposeful disinformation and meant to obfuscate away from the possibilities evident in the show itself... where that info relates to inshow issues that are unresolved.

You heard it here from John S in Australia on Jan 6 2009

I am fairly certain it's

Joe — Sun, 28 Dec 2008 23:17:41 -0800

I am fairly certain it's Baltar. I WANT it to be him. I just love posting these questions because you have such a sharper way of considering possibilities. Helps me understand more.

Hardly

brad — Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:39:50 -0800

The final 5 are entirely different from the other 7. 4,000 years old, so almost surely immune to an Earth virus.

Baltar

Joe — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 18:14:49 -0800

What about the fact that Baltar was not infected by the Cylon virus when he went to investigate the distressed bay ship in Season 3? Doesn't that eliminate him? Or does that leave a loophole - being "God" made him immune?

Yes, that is probably the virtual being

brad — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:59:23 -0800

We can be pretty sure it’s not really Elosha because the script editors revealed they wrote that to be Billy, and the actor could not make it, so they quickly modified the script to make it Elosha.

More to consider

James — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:05:33 -0800

Elosh's recent reappearance had me leaning toward her too for a while. Perhaps the visions Laura has of the priestess are the virtual being is disguise. I really like the idea of the virtual characters, likely a manifestation of the Cylon god, being the final Cylon. This god could very well be looking for redemption. Throughout history radical groups have taken the teaching of their religion out of context to justify war. Perhaps s/he has been manipulating events since the fall of the 12 colonies to redeem himself for the actions of his followers. There are so many other clues, it just seems to make the most sense.

Baltar the Final Cylon

brad — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 18:39:29 -0800

The extended version of Razor contains this additional prophecy from the First Hybrid.

At last, they’ve come for me. I feel their lives, their destinies, spilling out before me. The denial of the one true path. To play that out on a world not their own. But will they be soon enough? Soon there will be four glorious new awakenings, struggling with the knowledge of their true selves, the pain of revelation bringing new clarity. And in the midst of confusion he will find her. Enemies are brought together by impossible longing. Enemies now joined as one. The way forward, the once unthinkable, yet inevitable. And the fifth is still is in shadow, drawn toward the light, hungering for redemption, that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering. I can see them all - the seven, now six, self-described machines who believe themselves are of no sin, but in time it is sin that will consume them. They will know enmity, bitterness, the wrenching agony of the one splintering into many. And then they will join the promised land, gathered on the wings of an angel. Not an end, but a beginning.

These lines, highly prophetic, add more and more evidence that this hybrid is the cylon god, or closely connected with him. Update: the podcasts imply he is not the god himself, but is in regular communication with him.

But the line about the 5th and final Cylon seems to point at only one character. Baltar. This is not particularly satisfying, as it confuses the issue of Baltar as traitor. It makes his role entirely different. Though it does provide a good audience shocker, when compared with the old series, where he was a fairly 1 dimensional villain.

However, only one character in the show has done so much to need redemption, hungers for it, and has declared that finding out he is a Cylon would give him redemption. Sure, all the characters have done bad things and could use some redemption, but nobody like Baltar. On the whole, other characters like Adama, Roslin, Lee, Starbuck and Gaeta are heroes with a few flaws.

Ronald Moore likes redemption drama, and he seems to be preparing us for it.

Let’s consider other clues:

When D’Anna faces the Final five, and dies, her last words are in Baltar’s arms. “So beautiful. You were right.” He asks, “About what?” but she never answers. However, the only clear thing he’s been pushing her on before this event is whether he’s a Cylon or not.
She’s just greeted one of them with “Forgive me, I had no idea” and while she’s done ill to just about everybody, it’s Baltar she recently tortured. (Though with his nagging about it, she should have had some idea.)
Baltar has this inner six, and she’s not just a demented dream. She knows stuff. This is the best explanation for it. She seems to have been able to physically pick him up when he was beaten down, and many think she was Shelley Godfrey, the physical six who accused Baltar of being a traitor while head-six had vanished. Godfrey turned a corner and vanished herself, and head-six was back.
In the Hand of God Baltar randomly picks a place to bomb, and it turns out right
He’s really smart, smarter than most colonials, smarter even than the Cylons at things like tracking clues about Earth
The Hybrid calls him “the chosen one” and declares he is “intelligence, a mind that burns like fire.”
In various points of the show, Baltar is shown Christ-like, in poses like Christ, with hair and beard like him. As the final Cylon, he may be their version of Christ, somehow incarnated from the Cylon God. On the base ship, he gets a very Christ-like wound.
Inner six keeps insisting that Hera is the child of her and Baltar. Ravings? If not, it represents something like this.
Cylons keep falling in love with him, and never kill him. In fact, he drives them crazy. The Cylons who have close contact with him are the ones who rebel, and break their compulsion not to seek the Final Five. He has sex with Tory, #6 and #3 (and of course many human women too.)
As noted by many, he is very close to a nuclear blast at the start of the show, and while six is killed shielding him, later he shows up to get on Helo’s raptor with just a few minor scrapes.
In season 4, he gets a religious following among the colonials, and gets thought of as a healer. He may perform miracles. He seems to be chanelling real external information about the river.
He’s involved in everything. AI research. He’s in the middle, if not consciously, of the Cylon sabotage on Caprica. He is the one meting out clues to lead the colonials to Earth, and providing similar clues to the Cylons. Both are on their courses because of him.

Unfortunately, he’s in the “last supper” picture and it is confirmed that the final Cylon is not in that picture. Unless it’s secretly “head Baltar” in the picture, he’s out.

None of this is conclusive, but none of the other characters have nearly as many clues like this. The prophecy of the Cylon God bumps him up several notches as well.