Brad Ideas - What minor character is the final Cylon - Comments

Not an unseen character

brad — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:28:23 -0700

Producers have assured us this final Cylon is not some rarely seen character from earlier in the show.

Of course if you put all the clues together (not in the fleet, not a day player, somebody in it from season 1) it leaves only the dead characters and the Virtual being.

The final cylon

Anonymous — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:55:35 -0700

A thing came to mind the other day. D'anna said that the final cylon isn't in the fleet. So maybe it's someone who was left behind somewhere, like on the colonies, or kobol, or new caprica. Maybe it's someone who's been taken prisoner by the cylons. Then maybe that final cylon is in the hands of the significant seven cylons that didn't side with the humans. Then they'd have to go and free this cylon or rescue them from the colonies or new caprica, fighting alongside the humans. This is in my eyes a plausible storyline, cause it would result in bringing the cylon civil war to an end, which is still an outstanding issue to be resolved. It would also resolve the issue of a longstanding peace between human and cylon. And if they're a cylon prisoner that would explain why D'anna apologized.

I just can't imagine who it will be then. Where there any minor or major characters that disappeared or were taken prisoner and never seen again. I can't remember. It would still be a shocker. Like 'No way, they're still alive!' but who would it be then. Anybody got any ideas?

Not in Your Fleet

Jeff Liss — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:54:22 -0700

The only logical way I can think of for D'Anna -- who's been in cold storage for months -- to know definitively that "there are four in your fleet" and that the fifth is NOT in the fleet is if the fifth Cylon is standing there in the room when she speaks that line. This also explains how she knows the four are different from the final; she is somehow aware that the fifth, though in the room with her, is not yet aware of his/her true identity -- has not yet been activated or 'awakened.'

One of the things I've tried to do over the last few years is to let the work (i.e. the show) stand on its own, and I guess I'll keep doing that. My sense of who the final cylon is will come from the aired episodes (with perhaps a hint or two from cut scenes). I'll judge the work, not what some producer, or writer, or actor tells me the work means. If you go to an art museum or read a novel, you don't expect the creator to be available to explain his creation. I love the fact that RDM has opened up to his audience as much as he has, I'm going to keep treating the show like it was written by J.D. Salinger or some other reclusive artist.

Bingo

Anonymous — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:45:22 -0700

Ellen fits all the clues.

* Not in Last Supper Picture
* Not in the Fleet
* From Season 1
* Had major clues and major speculation surrounding her. (How did she get on that last ship out of Picon?)
* Has a really good excuse for not joining the other four at the Meet & Greet.
* Has the most emotional impact compared to anyone else on the list.

Does anyone else on this list come as close to meeting all the clues as Ellen Tigh does?

(And also let me eliminate Seelix and Hot Dog. D'Anna seemed more then happy to airlock them, why would she do that if either were the last Cylon? She also seemed more then happy to return them after the hostage standoff was completed.)

My theory

Augury — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 05:16:25 -0700

So my theory on the Last Cylon is... Head Six... and Head Baltar and any other head-ish characters we've seen on the show.

I believe that the last 5 Cylons (Tory, Tyrol, Tigh, Anders) can't resurrect, so when they die - they're a cylon skinjob without a body. We know that the 7 Cylons have the ability to project - to see the world around them in whatever fashion they wish to (see Season 3 - where Six sees the world as a forest).

What if these Final 5 Cylons can also Project into other people's heads - so that the people see what that Cylon wants them to.

Project a sexy Head-Six into Baltar's head, and steer him into a religious, monotheist direction.

Project a confident Head-Baltar into Caprica-Six's head and give her the strength to help Hera, and create a child that is a result of cylon / cylon reunion.

Project Head-Leoben into Kara Thrace's head and steer her towards her destiny of death and resurrection. A destiny that led to an alliance between cylons and humans.

Throughout the series, the "Head Entities" have steered key players into certain positions. I believe these "Head Entities" are one Entity - the Final Cylon. This solves two of the big mysteries of the show - a) What are Head-Six, Head Baltar etc? and b) Who is the Final Cylon?

No real Zak

brad — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:49:24 -0700

If Zak, or anybody else is a Cylon, they will have been so from the start. There would be no “real Zak” who was replaced. That’s been made clear several times, and doesn’t alter anybody’s chances.

There are 12 Cylon models (miniseries). “There are five OTHER Cylons, brother. I have seen them.” (Rapture). D’Anna awakes with Cavil and Boomer. She kills Cavil, barely looks at Boomer. Athena is a far more unusual #8 than Boomer — switched sides, had a baby. It does not appear to be Boomer.

I still say it is one of Starbuck's parents

misterd — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:36:49 -0700

Either mom or dad would explain a lot. It would explain Kara's destiny, it would explain her mom's abuse (which also fits the redemption clue), and it fits the clues we've been given (not in the picture, not in the fleet, and someone known to RDM since the first season). The mother would make the most sense, but making it Starbuck's father would give them the chance to make a very interesting casting choice...

Boomer was outed

misterd — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:33:29 -0700

As a "Number 8" Cylon specifically. We don't know what goes into Cylon creation, but it may be that she is a number 8 only in surface appearance. However, even though I first floated this notion months ago, it was only a passing fancy, and not a theory I buy, simply because it would seem much more difficult to explain. This is also why I don't favor Zak Adama - explaining how he is a Cylon, but not Apollo, and what happened to the real Zak, would probably take more time and effort than they want.

If the final cylon is a new

Master Prudent — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 05:03:49 -0700

If the final cylon is a new character I'm guessing it’s the troubadour person the actors keep mentioning. It would fit in neatly with the "Watchtower"/strange music business.

The final Cylon is Earth herself

Kailen — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:42:51 -0700

I think maybe Earth is the final Cylon. All lonely and desolate. Sending the other Cylons to bring her the human race to repopulate her and make her whole. Maybe a master computer designed to save humanity from itself.

But what do I know.

Final Five and Earth

ceti — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:18:56 -0700

None of these options thrill me. I mentioned in another blog both the "Logan's Run" or "Foundation and Earth" options, where the final fifth cylon is either some old man in a hatch (thus the "clawing toward the light") on the blasted surface of the Earth, or some super robot like Daniel Olivaw who remained behind as the first colony ships left the Earth for Kobol. The Dylan Four were sent out to see how the human race was fairing from Earth where only a small population of survivors have persisted. Maybe the cylons themselves are modelled after the crew of the colonial sleeper ships, and thus were bioengineered for long life.

There is still a lot to be explained and I think the final cylon will prove to be the mastermind behind recent events. D'Anna knows him/her, she exclaimed she had no idea, and was profoundly sorry to him/her. Maybe Billy Keikeya???

Caprica Six

brad — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 21:46:14 -0700

Senses that the group of Cylons are near. She could be getting that from 4 of the 5. This doesn’t really tell us if she is sensing all 5 or not. Could be, might not be.

The suggestion that the final Cylon is “in shadow” suggests not activated, but we can’t be sure.

Alrighty

cylonfrogqueen — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 20:12:14 -0700

Alrighty then....
Hummmmmm?

Question then.
6 tells Roslin that she 'senses" the 5 are near.
Previous to this Cylons did not "know" who the 5 were and were programmed not to think of them. Obviously, they did not "sense" them before activation ....( a question in the form of a statement ?)
So if 6 "sensed" the 5 are near.
The 5 is activated. And if 5 has always been actived (always knew they were cylon)...then wouldn't the cylons have sensed the 1 before?

and to sense the nearness of the 5 - where is the dead people? Zak, Ellen, Elosia, Cat, Joesph, etc.
if downloaded on the HUB....piffffff. Unless they are beings of light and the five are actually capable of assuming human form. Does this mean any human form?

So? I am not seeing Seelix being particularly dynamic mystery final cylon.... LOL !
comment on upcoming mysterious piano man? and Starbuck
a Hylon capable of second life?

No Cottle

brad — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:41:30 -0700

D’Anna declares there are four Cylons while on the base star — long before she gets to Galactica. Later, on Galactica she makes eye contact and can see they know. Up to this point, other than for Baltar, she would have no way of knowing anything about their awareness.

So unless she’s lying — which I doubt, it’s not Cottle or anybody else in the fleet.

I don't think D'Anna was/is

cylonfrogqueen — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:02:00 -0700

I don't think D'Anna was/is lying.
All four were in attendance when D'anna arrived on the Galactica.
Saul Tigh, Tory standing with Adama, Chiel Tyrol and Anders were standing on a crosswalk looking down on her.
My question is how did she know they were activated or knew they were Cylons - how does she know if the 5th is activiated ? I think she saw 4 and went with that.

I have thought that Helo may be the 5th. But if RM denies the people in the last supper photo .....
Then I have to go with Dr. Cottle. When Roslin 1st met Cottle her comment was(paraphrased) " Strange little man"
When D'anna interviewed him (before we knew she was a cylon) her comment about Cottle was "Stange little man".
We haven't been privy to alot of Dr. Cottle backstory, yet we, as viewers, "think" we "know" him. I think there is alot more to Dr. Cottle and he very well may need to be redeemed.
It would be more balanced if it were a female. But agree that there is not really a good shocking canadiate to be 'the" final. The Last half of the season will be an interesting conclusion to ALL the questions, we fans would like to have answered ....COMING SOON
and not soon enough! So say we all.

What minor character is the final Cylon

brad — Sat, 21 Jun 2008 19:14:17 -0700

With the shocking confirmation that the final Cylon is not anybody in the Last Supper photo our choices are far more limited, short of this being an out and out lie. While I don’t put it past the producer of a show to lie (or certainly to equivocate) on a show’s central mystery when asked a direct question, this is fairly direct. It’s either a lie or a bizarre equivocation where “people” is taken to literally mean “non-Cylon” so that he’s saying “The final Cylon isn’t any of the non-Cylons in the picture” — a tautology.

Let’s examine the choices left to us. It’s made more narrow by the declaration by D’Anna that the Final Cylon is not with the fleet. But there are no minor characters of note that are not with the fleet when she says this, other than dead characters. Worse, there are some dead characters she should not yet know to be dead. The one exception is Seelix, who is only marginally a character of note.

I’ve said for some time that the unmasking of the final Cylon, as a major climax of the series, must be dramatic. It has to be shocking and unexpected to most. While Baltar, who was my choice up to this point, would not have been shocking, I expected the “why” to be the real source of surprise, rather than the person. This may have to go doubly for the dead character.

Popular minor character choices Gaeta, Dee, Zarkek, Lampkin and Cottle are clearly with the fleet. And they’re also quite uninteresting choices. Revealing it is one of them will elicit a “ho-hum” rather than a “Holy Shit” the way Tigh’s unmasking shocked most of the audience (though of course not yours truly.) So even though some feel that D’Anna could be playing tricks by saying there are only 4 with the fleet, I see no reason for her to know that one is special, unless that one is on the base ship or dead. In fact, nobody on the fleet except the 4 themselves knows that one is special. And indeed, no reason for it to be any minor character on the fleet.

Other limiting clues include the following:

A report that the final Cylon was chosen during the first season. Other reports suggest it was a person from the miniseries but this is less confirmed.
Confirmed reports that there are clues in the show about this person
The prophecy of the first Hybrid about final Cylon: “And the fifth, still in shadow, will claw toward the light, hungering for redemption that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering.”
The famous line that “Adama is a Cylon” given by Leoben, while in captivity.
While far from certain, there are a lot of dramatic reasons to suggest D’Anna’s “You, forgive me, I had no idea” is to the final Cylon, somebody singled out for special recognition in the circle.

While it’s not confirmed, it is my belief that the “Final Five” plot, with a whole new class of ancient Cylons, was not fully fleshed out until the 3rd season. However, many of these choices require this plot to have been worked out in the first season when the Cylon was picked. My intuition could be wrong here.

It should be noted, that by and large there are no actual clues that point towards any of these characters (or any other characters not eliminated by the photo.) In fact, truth be known only a few of the eliminated characters (Baltar, Roslin, Starbuck and perhaps the Adamas) had actual clues, clues on the order of Tyrol’s compulsion to find the Temple or his superior response to vacuum.

Joseph Adama

My former favourite was recently eliminated by a declaration by Moore that it will not be somebody the audience has not seen, not a guest star.

Note that Lampkin tells Lee Adama that he looks just like his grandfather. It would be an interesting twist if Lee were a new incarnation of Joseph, however since Lee is in the last supper photo, that doesn’t work out.