Australia, fair

I’ve arrived this morning in Melbourne, a very pleasant city in which I haven’t allocated enough time, as per usual. Lots of interesting food, seems very livable with great transit, pleasant spaces and parks and architecture. And also surveillance cameras, everywhere. And warnings about stopping terrorism even though there hasn’t really been much here.

Once again I wish there were simple agencies to rent you all your tourist things so you didn’t have to pack them or worry about them. As I wished for before, there was a Vodaphone store in the airport arrivals lounge that sold me a SIM card for $30, though to get a really good deal you have to buy another $50 (AUS, 37.5 USD) of airtime.

My tour will take me now to Adelaide briefly, then up to Darwin to stay in Kakadu national park, then to Cairns (reef, of course) and finally ending in Sydney on the 17th, including speaking at the AUUG open source and unix conference on the 19th. Should be a great trip, and I’ll try to blog other observations about Australia.

Some immediate ones: Most people have told me they felt australians were great friendly people. My cab driver (black) said he loved Australia except the people were the most unfriendly in the world… Race may have something to do with this, I fear. I’m told my (barely) Canadian accent will sound sexy here.

Welcome to Oz

Hmmm...pity you aren't speaking in Melbourne. Good to see you are having a look around.

The Australian telco Telstra is being sold off by the government and has a Universal Service Fund issue similar to your last post. Australia is a very large country with a relatively small population and therefore has telco service level problems, especially when considering fixed line.

Have fun up north - Darwin is a very different place to Melbourne. Friends of mine are holidaying on the Coburg Peninsula right now, amazing place.

Australians can be unfriendly - as a remote island and part of the old Empire, we are very monolingual and can be distrusting and xenophobic. Especially when you are fed a diet of fear-of-terrorism. However, like all countries, your mileage may vary.

Hope you have a good time. Looking forward to your observations.

race "may have somthing to do with it"

Yeah, dark skins by and large don't see the nice side of Australia. There's a long and rich tradition of quite savage racism. Remember, this is a country that only accepted in 1968 that the aborigines were human beings, and still (officially) doesn't think it has anything to apologise for.

Wait until you get to Darwin... not only are there more aborigines, they're generally treated worse. I think Darwin still has a curfew on blacks, for instance.

But the landscape is bloody nice.

Racism

I have always thought of Australia as one of the most accepting places in the world (except New Zealand, who I freely admit has us well-and-truly beaten). I'll admit there are strong prejudices against aborigines in same places, particularly where there are many who are unemployed and troublemakers. Not their fault, not at all, but unfortunately they do have a tendency to stick out because they are not white. It's sad, really.

That said, I went to school with an Aboriginal girl, and I never saw her picked on. Not once. So we're really not that bad over here. We try, we really do.

As for the not apologising, I believe that's because the government doesn't want to be sued! What a sad world we live in where we can't say sorry for fear of legal action.

Not an aboriginal

The taxi driver was not an australian aboriginal. He was from a Pacific Island, and was perhaps an islander or an immigrant African. I didn't ask.

I think Australian's have a

I think Australian's have a reputation as being friendly, layed-back etc, and to a point I'm sure we are, but like any culture we are made up of a lot of individuals. There is definitely a number of strains of racism that exist here- racism toward our indigenous aboriginals- this is made worse by our prime minister being unwilling to aplogise for all the atrocities that happened during colonisation, and also I racism driven by the terrorist “fear campaign” and fear of the “other” is quite strong too.

We are also a very diverse group of people and there ARE, I hope, a majority that are friendly and accepting. And yes- Canadian accents rock! I friend of mine from Canada back in uni days used to get jobs in hospitality just because of his accent alone =)

Hope you had a good trip – wish the weather turned it on more for you.

Race

When I first moved to the US, I was shocked that I couldn't even get away with telling racist jokes. I was afraid of black people and espically Mexicans (never seen many before). And overall I'm impressed with the many laws trying to protect minorities here. When I go back to Australia, I'm now amazed that even my family will happily make jokes about Asians or any other nationality, although they mean nothing bad by them. Just strange.

are you stupid or something?

are you stupid or something? why do you want to tell racially insensitive jokes? I wish I had met you when you were visiting here so I would have the pleasure of knocking you out. it's people like you make the world a horrible place to live for others. frickin pathetic if you ask me. how sad your life must be.

American sensitivity on race

American sensitivity on race is almost as funny as their national pride. By a strange coincide American race relations is among the lowest in the world and they spend more time in wars outside their borders than everyone else put together.

Misunderstood

I think ur point was misunderstood. All u were saying is that in ur country people view blacks & hispanics differently. It isnt ur fault. When u came here the views were different and u were not use to it because the way ur were brought up and the country.

That is how people learn about others is by going into their world and learning. Your family doesnt understand because they are not from a Country that is rich in mulitcultural learnings. I think people tried to tag u as a big racist. Everyone has racist views about something but the goal is to realize our ignorance and change.

California girl

australia dont bother coming ...

its a pity we have people like Daniel and his family in this country . why tell racist jokes ? does that make you feel better about yourself ? when i was in Australia i was shocked to hear the jokes about the indiginous population its like most "aussies" know them ..
Of course you would be scared in the US (thats great)its a little to multicultural for rednecks like you . Go to new york i got got family in Flat bush Brooklyn and tell the NON WHITE people your jokes and see what happens . Dont be scared you get what you deserve :)

canadas similarities with oz

After travelling the world pretty extensivly, i find that canada is definately the most similar place to australia i have ever been, having lived in vancouver and calgary, and now living in london uk for over a year, i think we are hardly like england at all. There are parts of sydney and melbourne i have to look twice at to make sure i havnt fallen asleep and found myself back in the great white north.

The thing that definately sets Australia appart from london is most definately the food, i have always heard that england has a bed reputation for food, and it has.
Sydney kills london in the eats department, london has a lot of nice high end places to eat, then so does sydney, then so does any of the worlds big cities. But i know that within 3 minute walk in sydney you can stumble on about 5 different nationalities cuisine, all tasting great and affordable, but in london unless your in the city, good luck. Its a pub, a fish and chip shop or a curry. A lot of the times nothing at all.

'Sydney kills London on

'Sydney kills London on food' Just where did you live in London? Sydney may well be multi cultural, but it isn't nearly the melting pot that London is and if you'd travelled around the city to the many, many ethic areas that exist you would find an abundance of food around the world. I live between Streatham and Brixton, and within a 5 min walk I have Jamaican, Chinese, Indian, Japanese, Portuguese, Columbian, Ghanaian, Anatolian and Italian. I could go on....I would love to know where you're living and if you're still there, maybe I could give you some recs...let me know.

racist aussies

I don't know about coloureds, but the racism toward the English is the one thing that no one ever comments on (presumably because it isn't politically incorrect enough). The English are "poms" and stupid and not to be trusted, let alone spoken to or befriended. The colonial chip they have on their shoulder toward the English is gobsmacking, and the constant casual racism is finally driving me to drink (and a one-way ticket out of this racist berg).

nz racism

Racism toward the English is also alive and well here in New Zealand and appears to be the accepted 'norm'. I take great offence to being called a 'pom'and will not accept anyone calling me it in any form. If one were ever to make a comment about Maoris, Asians, or Indians etc. in the same manner there would be a riot on your hands of the biggest proportion - why is it so acceptable toward the English? The strangest thing about it is that the English admire the Aussies and Kiwis and are nothing but friendly and accomodating to them on their O/E's - it's a shame they cannot extend the same courtesy.

huh?

Look, basically anywhere you go you're going to encounter racism, maybe you should start to accept that it's human nature for some to descriminate against those who are different from them, and poms (if i may be so bold, i hope not to offend anyone by the horrid discriminatory nature of the word, THE HORROR!) are not exempt from this, far from it. Maybe before pinning things like the genocide of Tasmania on australia, you should understand that was done by English soldiers who henceforth returned to England, or you should take into account that Australia's indigenous mess was kickstarted by the English. Although it's been along time since federation, strong preconceptions are hard to break, no matter what race is concerned.

Australians can be racist, then so can the English, or any other socio-cultural group (Hence why the world is such a violent place), stop being pathetic, if you don't like NZ or Australia, don't come back, i doubt anyone really cares either way.

A very good summary indeed.

A very good summary indeed. Nicely put :)

is it O.K. for black people to visit.

I am an African-American grad journalism student from America. I was thinking about doing a study abroad in Australia but I got really scared when I studied a little about the history of the Aboriginal people. To think they weren't considered humans until 1968? Does anyone know if it is a good idea for black people not from Australia to visit the country?

Iam a African-American woman

Iam a African-American woman who has been to Australia twice since June this year.
I loved it and found the people female and male to be nothing but
friendly and helpful. Also they were very interested in me. Be
open and friendly. There about how service works in the country
so that you have no misunderstandings. They do have a very
laid back air and it is very refreshing. I would say this is
one of the places in the world were being A.A. works for you.
It worked for me so well I am marring an "Aussie".
The world is a big place go live it.

Is it okay for African-Americans to visit Australia?

Yes, definitely. Your accent will definitely tear you apart from the Aboriginals from here.
I'm sure you LOOK African-American so you won't be discriminated against...
Chances are people will be quite fond of you and treat you like a rich tourist. Believe me there's a lot of people in Australia that want to meet an African-American. I know I do. Curtis Jackson just isn't enough for me.

Am i going to be safe? :-|

I know a little bit about the riots in aus.. I'm a British Asian Indian... doing Medicine in Oxford... and I can tell there's quite a bit of racism to both of my nationalities over in Aussieland :(. I love that place on Neighbours, but suddenly when u look behind the facade you see the racist side of Australia and its really sad... I thought Australia was such a friendly place.

Anywhoo... I have about 4 months when I can go work in a hospital in a foriegn country... and i didnt want to go america or anywhere that doesn't speak the language i speak. No offence. I just want to work thats all and i thought Asutalia would be just fab..

You think I should be scared if i decided to go there... or would they really judge me because i was born in a particular place and by the amount of melanin in my skin?!

Really hope not... please reply need some answers soon! :)

love to all, Tav. Xxx

Thoughts of Moving To Austrailia

I was just asking a few friends about moving to Austrailia from the US. I'm trying to gather all of the facts before even applying for residency. I've read some of the comments in this blog, but doesn't sound like Austrailia is very inviting, but I don't want to just hear it from someone who just speculates. Is their anyone out there who has worked temporarily over there or lived for a short time? I'd be glad to hear your comments and or recieve your email.

Cheers!
Tony

Nah

You're seeing the edges in some comments here. It looked pretty inviting to me, and I know many who have gone there to live and enjoyed it, though a few who haven't (more because of sexism than racism.)

African American with plans on returning to Australia

I am graduating from undergrad in the States in April. I spent 2 months in Australia this summer and it was amazing!! I am an African American female and I felt by-far more comfortable, accepted and welcomed in Australia than in the U.S.! I plan/hope to return to Sydney to study toward my masters and even Ph.D. and I can't wait!!!

African Americans in Australia

I'd actually like to marry an African American woman... so you've given me ideas. =P
More seriously though - education isn't entirely Australia's biggest point. But if what you're doing is covered properly here, it can't hurt to try.

LuzTeTT

Australia is alright for a

Australia is alright for a peaceful life, but to be honest, I don't get the bad attitude towards the English, after all they are English! So wtf get on your kangaroo skipper.

Mixed Race

So I am also planning on studying abroad in the spring but I am of mixed race of white and black. I do not know to much about the aborigines but I am afraid I will be mistaken for them. I have never encountered much racism in the US and prefer to avoid it. What do you think?

We're of many different

We're of many different cultures and descents, I live in Bankstown in Sydney's South West, one of the most culturally diverse suburbs and even places in Australia. We are not all "english" in descent, I have lived in Sydney my whole life, and it is sad to say that for the past four or so years SOME Australians induced a climate of racism spawned from our now ex-pm's conservative influence. Most of us living in the cities are just as tolerant, peacefull, educated, and aware as any American or English city. Personally I think it is a joke to have to defend ourselves as being MORE racist and LESS diverse than America or England. Please. I am of mixed descent and have not recieved and prejudice toward myself in a very long time. I'm proud of where I live, and I think Sydney is a fantastic city to explore, and yes, of course it has its bad points, like anywhere, speaking in general about the rest of Aus too. Feel assured, its just like any other western city... ;)

And our sense of humour can be defined as... wait for it.... "UNPOLITICALLY CORRECT", as in RELAX ITS A JOKE WE'RE NOT THAT STUPID.

I am amazed and shocked that

I am amazed and shocked that there are some people, especially the dark skinned, that honestly are not sure if they want to come visit over here. Dont always go by what you read. The majority of people that post onlinr, are not what the majority of aussies are like.
Of course every country have there rude overegotistic racists. Find one country that doesnt have some that are like that... I assure you that you will come back with none.

All in all Australia is a beautiful laid back country, where most of us are very nice and welcoming.
No matter of the skin colour!!
Oh and dont forget that other part of Australia people :-) Perth is also a great place, with a wide range of races.

I met an australian couple

I met an australian couple on holiday in Rhodes who have invited me to visit them in perth, they are of greek and italian decent and i am black british, (my parents are from caribbean but i was born in the uk).

I was afraid to visit because of the potential racism but now ive read that perth is a multicultural city i feel more open to visiting. People will always have racist views no matter where you go, and i cant change that. but why should i miss out on experiencing wonderful things in life because of that. Britain can be just as racist as anywhere else!

I will definately be going to perth in 2010, i cant wait!

A few years ago I spent 9

A few years ago I spent 9 months in Perth and Fremantle (over two visits) and I loved it. I'm sure you'll have a great time.

For what it's worth, I didn't ever experience any prejudice as a (white) Pom, and found people mostly pretty friendly, at least in comparison with here in the south of England, but that's perhaps not saying very much. ;-)

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.

Post new comment

The blog is Brad Ideas. What's the 2nd word of that?
Please make up a name if you do not wish to give your real one.
The content of this field is kept private and will not be shown publicly.
  • Allowed HTML tags: <a> <em> <strong> <cite> <code> <ul> <ol> <li> <dl> <dt> <dd>
  • Web page addresses and e-mail addresses turn into links automatically.
  • Lines and paragraphs break automatically.

More information about formatting options